I'm Sorry, Prairie Dogging?

Someone slides into the back seat and we quickly trade stories about what what a young lawyer reveals when there’s no audience, no history, and no promise you’ll ever meet again. The conversation swings into the parts of life that don’t fit neatly on a resume: coping with heavy cases, using dark humor to stay afloat, and carrying generational trauma while trying to build a healthier future.

We unpack what restraining order court can look like in real life, how trauma shows up in testimony, and why some details never leave you, even after you clock out.

The conversation also swings into the parts of life that don’t fit neatly on a resume: coping with heavy cases, using dark humor to stay afloat, and carrying generational trauma while trying to build a healthier future. We talk dating patterns, the temptation of the “hot jerk,” and what it means to date a nice guy with intention. We even hit the practical relationship topics people search for at 2 a.m., like prenups, last names, and why marriage is both love and law.

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SPEAKER_00 0:12

Welcome to another episode of Rideshair Road Talk Conversations in Motion, a podcast where we create unfiltered talk space that examines the meaningful lives of my passengers while engaging in personal and topical discussions. I'm your host and driver, John Fodd. And we're cruising the streets of Washington, D.C. Buckle up. Let's drive.

SPEAKER_01 0:36

I do want to hear what is like your most compelling story you've heard.

SPEAKER_00 0:41

Um I mean, it's some pretty horrific stuff.

SPEAKER_01 0:44

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:45

Well, like the first week I did it, like this woman, she was like a lobbyist or an attorney or whatever, clearly.

SPEAKER_01 0:50

Yeah. A DC type.

SPEAKER_00 0:52

Yeah, yeah. And she gets in the car, she looks uh flustered, and she's like, Can I talk to you? I'm like, well, sure. We've got 24 minutes. Um she's like, my husband's cheating on me. I don't know what to do. Oh like that kind of stuff. Yeah. So it's like it's not like I'm meeting you in a bar. There's no pretense. It's not like I'm walking up going, yeah. If you're comfortable and we're kind of just gabin, it comes out.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

It's so interesting.

SPEAKER_00 1:22

And it's a two-way street, by the way. I've had people crack me up and go, okay, well, what's your deal? So it's totally fair. Um, so, anyways, that kind of stuff. I've had um, I mean, actually, I don't want to ruin your evening because it's a pretty bad story.

SPEAKER_01 1:36

Um, I can give you the context of why I became a lawyer.

SPEAKER_00 1:38

And why we're gonna get to that.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

I was like, because that might change. You can tell me some pretty horrific stuff, and I'd be okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

Fair enough. So, and I want I want this to be about you, so I'm just gonna give you what you're asking. Um, I had one lady pick her up from dinner, it was her mom's birthday. She was by herself. I said, Oh, happy birthday to your mom. She's like, Nah, we got into a fight last year, and then she jumped off the roof of a building.

SPEAKER_01 2:04

Ooh.

SPEAKER_00 2:06

Got it. Had another lady, young lady, get in, and there was an emotional connection the second she got in the car. Yeah. Something, you know, when someone's energy, that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_01 2:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:17

Like, so, and there's some really funny shit, also. By the way.

SPEAKER_01 2:22

Well, usually the the people with the darkest backstories are always the funniest.

SPEAKER_00 2:26

Yeah, it was just very strange. Yeah. Um, I drove a TikTok influencer without knowing who this person was.

SPEAKER_01 2:34

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:35

So she was begging me to get on TikTok, and I'm like, I don't have time for that. And at the time I didn't know who she was.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

Right. You were like, why is this random woman?

Growing Up In Domestic Violence Court

SPEAKER_00 2:44

Again, we were like peas and carrots. It it's the the the episode is hysterical. It's called, uh, the episode's called Please Don't Take My Kid Me. So I'll leave it at that. Okay. So tell me about this supposed JD you have for the being 12 years old and all that. Tell me about law school and where you went and all that.

SPEAKER_01 3:04

Well, law school fucking sucks. Whoever tells you otherwise is a fucking loser. It's the worst, and they're probably a narcissistic asshole. I'm probably narcissistic, but not an asshole. But um straight on the case. No, I got into the law because when I was like uh hit me with your best shot with the stories, I got into it by doing domestic violence and sexual violence work.

SPEAKER_00 3:26

Serendipity.

SPEAKER_01 3:27

So yeah, so like it was that thing where I never shut up as a kid. And I liked the idea of being a social worker, but they don't pay enough for social workers in this world. So I was like, oh, I'll be a lawyer. And I started working at this law firm that then said, Hey, you would be good at this. So I'd work three days a week at this law firm. I was like f like 15, 16. Oh my god. And then how is that? I would I was like interning basically. So what?

SPEAKER_00 3:58

15? I couldn't even tie my shoes. What is law firm?

SPEAKER_01 4:02

But then I would do like three days a week at the law firm, and then two days a week at a domestic violence nonprofit where my job was to go sit in at restraining order court, and like basically in Maryland specifically, it's not like one hearing and that's it. There's multiple hearings. Yeah, and so I would go into the first one where it's basically someone asking for this like temporary order, and they're like, please help me. And so I would go in there and I'd listen to people's stories, and I go back to my director, and I'd be like, These are people I think we could help. And so I did that for a few years, like throughout high school and college, and then in law school, that's why I went to the law school I went to because they had a restraining order clinic, so I could continue doing that in law school.

SPEAKER_00 4:49

So as a lay person, private versus do good or you're obviously doing good work.

SPEAKER_01 4:57

Does that pay the bills or like so I kind of went to the dark side a little bit because I have loans to pay. Yeah. So I do I work for private, but I told them when they hired me that I would be bringing domestic violence victims later on when I'm more established. Like this is something that like I went into this so I could like kind of like a Robin Hood thing, like, you know.

SPEAKER_00 5:25

Right, right.

Coping With Trauma After Work

SPEAKER_01 5:26

But it was gonna either be that or I was interviewing for Brooklyn PD for their domestic violence unit. But I got this job first. And when you're in law school, if you don't have a big law thing lined up because you don't want to hate your life and die an early death, you have to figure other things out.

SPEAKER_00 5:49

Yeah. So I mean, that's some pretty heavy stuff. Like, how do you unpack that when you're not practicing and doing like after your day is over with, you're dealing with some very compelling things.

SPEAKER_01 5:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:59

What do you do to unpack and just not be absorbed by that 24-7?

SPEAKER_01 6:03

So that's why I think sometimes I'm a bit of a psychopath because besides buying shoes. Instead of buying shoes, yeah. Yeah. Um, I think that's why I'm a little bit of a psychopath, because that's partially why I went into it, because I was able to go home at night and sleep okay. And so I was like, okay, if I'm able to do that, then I need to do this work. If that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 6:25

I mean, tinges of sociopaths, sure, but not psychopaths.

SPEAKER_01 6:29

I mean, there is like this one case I will always remember, and that's like there's a few that like stick with you.

SPEAKER_00 6:35

Well, sure.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

Like it was this woman who wasn't a legal immigrant here, and but you still get help by the legal system, like you can still pursue those things. And so she was an immigrant, she went and got a restraining order, and the guy was a US citizen, and he was like brutally sexually abusing her, but she had to have a translator when she testified, and so she kept doing this motion, and I'm like, what is she doing? And I'm like 17 at the time, and I'm like, what is she doing? She he's been putting a pillow over her face, and then my wife did that once. Oh my god. Just say, it's horrible, it's horrible. If you don't consent to it, it's horrible.

SPEAKER_00 7:18

Well, I kind of just let her because I knew I, you know, I just it's fine.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

But this is like this woman kept doing that.

SPEAKER_00 7:27

Just in case she's listening.

SPEAKER_01 7:32

But yeah, no, that was like one of those. And then he threw her cat into a fan.

SPEAKER_00 7:36

What? Yes. Like, and the cat's like no longer with us?

SPEAKER_01 7:40

Likely. Oh wow. And like one thing that's really bizarre is like abusers love machetes.

SPEAKER_00 7:47

Oh, okay. I I'm just telling you right now, part of my gift to the world is the titles of these podcasts, and that is what the title of this one is going to be.

SPEAKER_01 7:58

Abusers love machetes.

SPEAKER_00 7:59

Oh my god, dude. Please. I need you shotgun now. We're gonna do this together. It'll be a tandem podcast, and we will just destroy the city. Oh my god. Because I've got legal protection, clearly, and we'll just fuck people up. Podcasts and machetes.

SPEAKER_01 8:16

I was just like, I remember like learning that, and I went back and I was like, why the fuck? Like, it was like a couple of weeks. I was like, why is it that these men keep using machetes?

SPEAKER_00 8:29

That's pretty savage though. I mean.

SPEAKER_01 8:30

It was crazy.

SPEAKER_00 8:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:32

And that was like for a week straight. But then, like, other, I mean, happy things also happened too. It wasn't like just that. Like, you would see mom like hug her kids, or like things like that, where I saw a judge, this really tiny woman, absolutely school this brand new male attorney. Like he was like over-explaining the law, and she looked at him and she's like, How old are you? And he told her, and she looks at him and she goes, I know more than you ever will. Be quiet. And I was like, Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:07

See, I like that.

SPEAKER_01 9:08

Oh, it was so cool.

SPEAKER_00 9:09

I like that.

SPEAKER_01 9:10

Because she's like this like itty bitty judge, and she was like, Shut the fuck up.

SPEAKER_00 9:14

What jurisdiction is this?

SPEAKER_01 9:16

Uh, this is in Maryland.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

No, I know two sitting judges that fit that bill in Moco. So yeah, we'll leave it alone.

Law School Moves And Regional Accents

SPEAKER_01 9:24

But no, yeah, it's crazy. But yeah, I went to law school in Wisconsin. Okay. So it was a little different there because everyone had guns. Everyone in Wisconsin has guns.

SPEAKER_00 9:34

Yeah, Madison?

SPEAKER_01 9:35

Yeah, yeah. That's where I was.

SPEAKER_00 9:37

Pretty campus.

SPEAKER_01 9:38

Yeah, it's really pretty, except it's fucking cold.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

Well, because it's Wisconsin.

SPEAKER_01 9:43

Yeah, and you know, like, I didn't think about that.

SPEAKER_00 9:46

Where's Home Home?

SPEAKER_01 9:49

Here, and I go back to Los Angeles really frequently. Okay. Yeah, my mom lives in Los Angeles.

SPEAKER_00 9:56

So I have um no connection to LA other than just being there like when it mattered. Because I like to go like in the late 80s, right? Oh shit. You know, sunset. Like I was there.

SPEAKER_01 10:07

Rodney King.

SPEAKER_00 10:08

Well, more like, you know, whiskey and troubadour and all that stuff. Like we would go. I went to school in Florida.

SPEAKER_01 10:15

Okay, where'd you go?

SPEAKER_00 10:16

Uh I'm embarrassed to say. It was when I went there, it was called the College of Boca Raton. Uh yeah. And and now it's called Lynn University. Okay. So it's a little bit more um apparently someone named Lynn died and left a lot of money, so fine. Um pop off Lynn. But we had tons of friends that were out in LA and like San Bernardino and like Redlands and all that. And so we would just go out for like spring breaks, long wheels, and just go rage around Santa Monica in the sunset. It was really fun. Yeah. Um I've heard, like most places, it's much different now. Um, just the overall vibe.

SPEAKER_01 10:58

Um Yeah, it's it's weird. That's it's one of those places where that's where all my family's from. So I'm the only one that wasn't born there. And when I come back, my accent is always like when I come back from LA, I'm always like, hi.

SPEAKER_00 11:16

But the affectation. Yeah, yeah. Oh my god. There were two girls that did that were on one of the podcasts and they had that affectation. Yeah. It'll get because it's like, oh my god, dude, no, don't do that.

SPEAKER_01 11:28

No, it literally would be like, like, when I'm back, it sounds like the Californians. And that's how we all talk to each other. Like my mom will be like, you just have to get off on supposed off. And I'm like, uh-huh. And that's how we talk to each other.

SPEAKER_00 11:42

It's very cute when you do it.

SPEAKER_01 11:44

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 11:46

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 11:47

I think about it if I if it ever came out in court. I'm like, Yamma.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

I dare you. I dare you.

SPEAKER_01 11:54

Yaama. I'm a lawyer.

SPEAKER_00 11:56

Oh my god. So great.

SPEAKER_01 11:59

Like, I would always think about that. I was like, fuck. And then I have the Maryland accent too. Right. So I'll be like, oh, and I'm like, fuck.

SPEAKER_00 12:07

Yeah, there's that little little hint of southern draw in there too, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 12:11

Yeah, no, a hundred percent. It's bizarre. And then I went to undergrad in the south. Okay. So then I picked up y'all.

SPEAKER_00 12:19

Right.

SPEAKER_01 12:19

So.

SPEAKER_00 12:20

Where de where down south were you?

SPEAKER_01 12:22

In North Carolina. Okay. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 12:24

Do I get to guess?

SPEAKER_01 12:25

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 12:30

Wait, undergrad or?

SPEAKER_01 12:32

Undergrad.

SPEAKER_00 12:33

And then you went to law school in Madison.

SPEAKER_01 12:36

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 12:37

Undergrad. Well, I mean, I'm only gonna guess too. It has to be either Chapel Hill or Duke. Nope. God damn it.

SPEAKER_01 12:43

So there's this little bizarre university called Elon. Oh, I know that. Yeah. For sure. I say it's bizarre because it's just like. It's small. It's small and it wants to think it's a southern school, but everyone's from New Jersey.

SPEAKER_00 12:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:58

So it's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 13:00

Pretty campus though.

SPEAKER_01 13:01

Oh, it's beautiful. It's it's like a certified botanical garden, the campus.

SPEAKER_00 13:06

Sorry, I offended you with the whole Duke thing.

SPEAKER_01 13:08

Oh, I was I I still couldn't get into Duke. I passed the bar and I was partially basically blind while doing it, and I still couldn't get into Duke. There's no way.

SPEAKER_00 13:18

That's a tough one. My uh my oldest is like a junior uh in college.

SPEAKER_01 13:24

Oh, where's she guys?

SPEAKER_00 13:26

Oh, he. He. Um long story, but he is at the University of Tennessee.

SPEAKER_01 13:30

Oh, okay. I have an ex that was obsessed with Tennessee.

SPEAKER_00 13:36

It's such a fun little town. And the football culture is obviously really a lot of fun too.

SPEAKER_01 13:42

Um look good in orange? It's a rough color.

SPEAKER_00 13:46

I don't think anybody looks good. All my friends are just like, dude, you just look like a big fat traffic cone. And I won't wear it. Like I have one. James the Giant Beach. John the giant cone.

unknown 14:02

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 14:05

Um but Knoxville's cool.

College Chaos And Brutal Pranks

SPEAKER_01 14:07

Tennessee's a really cool place and it's beautiful. I've been there. I broke my arm in Tennessee, but but it's a beautiful place. Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:17

To get your arm set.

SPEAKER_01 14:19

No, sure. I just um broke my arm and I had someone go to Walmart and buy me a wrap, and I wrapped that shit up.

SPEAKER_00 14:30

Is there was there alcohol involved?

SPEAKER_01 14:32

100%.

SPEAKER_00 14:33

Excellent. Excellent.

SPEAKER_01 14:35

I was dancing on a table and I fell off. And then I thought I'd do it again the next night. Oh, did you really? And then I just did it again, and so.

SPEAKER_00 14:45

I remember that stuff though.

SPEAKER_01 14:46

Yeah, and I had a weed pen, so I was just like, okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:51

That's so much fun.

SPEAKER_01 14:52

It was really fun.

SPEAKER_00 14:54

There was um I mean it was stupid.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

I had to wear cast.

SPEAKER_00 14:57

Like this is post-college or during college?

SPEAKER_01 15:00

During college.

SPEAKER_00 15:00

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:01

Well, this was during if this was like after college, I was so embarrassed to have a cast. I feel like only children wear cast. And all my friends wanted to sign it, so I got a black one. Like they were all like, can we sign that? And I was like, if you don't get the fuck away from me. Like, I'm pretty sure one of my friends ordered like silver like sharpies and threatened me with it.

SPEAKER_00 15:24

That's a rock star move, by the way. And I was silver sharpies.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

I was like, I'm gonna fucking murder you. Like, if you draw a fucking penis on my arm, I'm gonna be gonna be so mad at you.

SPEAKER_00 15:37

There's always that one person that would do that for sure.

SPEAKER_01 15:39

Oh, all my friends would uh oh yeah. Every single one. Every single one.

SPEAKER_00 15:44

We would do that when our friends would pass out, and we would call it the powdered wig. Oh! So we would basically go to the fridge and the pantry and just empty all the condiments onto said person.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 15:57

And then the sharpies and you know, dicks on the forehead, the whole thing is the greatest thing ever. What else would one do? There was something really nasty that we did, and I'm almost embarrassed to say it, but I think you can handle it. I'll probably edit this part out.

SPEAKER_01 16:12

No, you gotta keep it.

SPEAKER_00 16:14

Um part of that powdered wig experience.

SPEAKER_01 16:17

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 16:19

This is so bad. Someone would take like a toothbrush.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

Alcohol.

SPEAKER_00 16:25

And they would take a condom.

SPEAKER_01 16:26

Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 16:27

And put it on the toothbrush. And then put it right in the threshold of the cheek. Oh. And then extract a toothbrush so the person woke woke up and be like, what no? That you know, that kind of thing. Kind of like slamming the brakes on someone who's asleep in your car. That that initial, like, what the fuck? Right? Um, yeah, we had problems.

SPEAKER_01 16:51

Oh, I thought it was something so disgusting to call that.

SPEAKER_00 16:54

Oh, you don't think that's so disgusting?

SPEAKER_01 16:55

No, like something to call it, like prairie dogging. Have you ever heard of that?

SPEAKER_00 16:59

No. Can we do that game now? I've never heard that. And I'm pretty good at that game. I'm sorry, what? Can I call my friend so we can do like the speaker phone? Because he's even better at than I am. Prairie dog?

SPEAKER_01 17:13

Well, prairie dogging is something else, but that it reminded me the name feels reminiscent of the act.

SPEAKER_00 17:20

I'm probably blushing if you can see my face, but I'm still, I'm with you. I'm still here. I seriously, I want to call my friend Vince in like a game show. Like, okay, Vince, you've got two guesses. What is a prairie dog?

SPEAKER_01 17:38

It involves cheeks.

SPEAKER_00 17:40

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 17:41

One cheek, two cheek. Okay. Yeah. See, if I spoke like this in law school, people would be like, how'd she get here?

SPEAKER_00 17:50

I dare you to throw this out in court.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

I mean, Your Honor, it was a mere prairie dog.

SPEAKER_00 17:58

Chambers. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

Ma'am, I feel compelled to order the Psyche Val on you.

Dreaming Of A Survivor Legal Nonprofit

SPEAKER_00 18:07

So, um, what's the um what's the mid-range, long-range forecast for you? What do you see yourself doing like the long term?

SPEAKER_01 18:18

The long-term goal is to be like, okay, if money was not an object, I would have a domestic violence legal nonprofit. And I would be doing that. And I'd be employing people there, and I'd give them a really great wage.

SPEAKER_00 18:38

Um you know, I think that's cool because I'm picking up this whole juxtaposition, right? You're doing like, sorry, you're doing like God's work. Good for you. But you're also swinging from chandeliers, and you're probably a hell of a lot of fun, also.

SPEAKER_01 18:52

I try to do that.

SPEAKER_00 18:53

So there's this balance, right? And maybe that's your subconscious outlet to not take it.

SPEAKER_01 18:59

Yeah, I mean, I had a kind of dark childhood. That's why I say, yeah, like people that uh have traumatic back, nothing like sexual abuse or anything, but like, you know, when you have a hard upbringing, I think it not that's why you have to be a good person, but it makes you funny.

SPEAKER_00 19:13

Alright, well, I'm gonna poke. Tell me about it.

SPEAKER_01 19:16

Um, I had a uh my mom is really mentally ill. Oh, okay. And so like when you said the suicide thing, like she oh, she didn't she's not dead. She wasn't very good at it. But that that was a thing that, you know, subs like abuse of like alcohol and you know, more like suicide as like an outlet, like a cry for help.

SPEAKER_00 19:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:43

And you know, it's a lot on a kid, you know.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

No kids age was this happening?

SPEAKER_01 19:48

I mean, it was really bad when I was in middle school and high school, but like I knew my mom was different, yeah. Starting at five.

SPEAKER_00 19:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:59

Because like my mom doesn't hug me, and if she does now, I'm like, why are you touching me? Yeah. You know? And so it's just one of those things that I think also kind of compelled me to the work I do now because my grandma was abused, my mom's been abused. So it's like generational trauma and wanting to like end that.

SPEAKER_00 20:21

How do you stop that cycle for yourself? Not just the work, but I mean, you obviously know that has nothing to do.

SPEAKER_01 20:26

I don't know. I like some pretty good I like some fuck ass men, so I don't know.

Dating Nice Guys With Intention

SPEAKER_00 20:31

But you know, let's talk about not abusive, but like just assholes. Let's talk about that because that's something that comes up quite a bit. Yeah. Um, not only just from my personal experience, um, but with just people I've shared my life with. Yeah. Um like in high school, most of college, I had no game.

SPEAKER_01 20:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:53

None. Well, like that way, you're basically a child. And well, no, but I mean, I just I was a good guy. Yeah. My parents raised me right, and it would serve me with a different skill set as an adult, but when I was in high school, whatever, it went right to the friend zone.

SPEAKER_01 21:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:08

And it was always that lament of, well, that guy's a piece of shit. Why does she like him?

SPEAKER_01 21:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:15

You know, that kind of thing. And I get it.

SPEAKER_01 21:17

Well, that's also like one of the things that's happening, like like society-wide, too, is I think like young men are like, well, girls don't like nice guys, and there's all this misogynistic stuff. Not saying that that's you by any means.

SPEAKER_00 21:31

No, no, no, no. But like, I feel like true or accurate.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

Like, I feel like I talked to the it's so interesting seeing like how women diverge this way and men have diverged completely the other way. It's okay, keep talking though. I don't want to interrupt you.

SPEAKER_00 21:43

No, no, it's fine. This is it's a two way street. I mean, my arcs it starts with that, and then I played the game, and that's how I met my wife. My wife asked me out on a date, uh huh, and then I brought a date to the date on purpose. It's a chess move and it fucking worked. And it fucking worked, and 22 years later.

SPEAKER_01 22:05

I'm trying to think of how it was phrased. It was basically just like the paradigm of how like women look at dating versus like how men look at dating, especially like when you're younger and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 22:16

Like one thing they're age appropriate, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:19

Well, not even that, but like when okay, so like of the assholes I used to date, it would be like the really hot jock. Where I would be like, and he'd be covered in tattoos, and I'd be like, him and I could walk down the street and we would just be really hot together. And that's what you would see. We would just be fucking hot together. And I'm like, oh, that guy fucking sucks and he's gonna give me an STD because he's putting his dick everywhere, probably. Yeah, but there's that, yeah. But that it's like one like conscious decision I've been making is I'm like, I don't want to do the objectifying thing because my friends would call me like a Samantha Jones type. Like I could like walk up to the street, walk up on the street and be like, you, you're taking me out to dinner. And it would happen kind of a thing. Okay. And I'm like, I'm not doing that. I'm good at that, and I'm not doing that. And I'm like, I'm gonna date a nice guy with intention. With intention, with the intention of not dating him just because he's nice, but also not dating him just because I think when we walk around together, we'll have a little bit of a laugh, but like it's just based off of like sexual attraction.

SPEAKER_00 23:38

And that's also your your youth as well. Yeah, of course. You have boxes to check, of course.

SPEAKER_01 23:44

But like I'm trying to go away from that because it's never served me well.

SPEAKER_00 23:49

You know, I mean, you're so fucking young, it's gonna happen, your arc will happen on its own timeline.

SPEAKER_01 23:54

And it's not one of those things I ever want to rush. Like, I have a friend that just turned 25 and she's like, what the fuck is going on?

SPEAKER_00 24:01

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 24:02

And she's like, Don't you want to get married soon and I go and be a child bride? Absolutely not. Like, there's so many marriages that just don't end up right because you just want to be with somebody.

SPEAKER_00 24:15

Right.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

And that sounds horrendous.

SPEAKER_00 24:18

And also the the uh just the concept of a legal marriage. Like I know plenty of people that never got legally married or happy kids, the whole thing. It's just an an anchor, a financial anchor to the state or to the kids.

SPEAKER_01 24:33

Well, yeah, because it's a business arrangement. If you look at it plain and simple, it's a business arrangement.

SPEAKER_00 24:38

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 24:40

Like that's what it is. And we love prenups. Prenup, postnup, you name it.

SPEAKER_00 24:49

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Boy, hindsight's 2020, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

Oh yeah, when my parents got divorced. Same thing. I mean, even my mom was like, I wish I didn't change my name. So that's one thing. Like, I don't want to change my last name. And that's not just because of like what she said, but it's also one of those things where I'm like, okay, I'm starting my career younger. This is the name I'm establishing my establishing myself with.

SPEAKER_00 25:19

I don't think there's anything wrong with that. It is really such a like a traditionalist kind of approach, and it works for some people.

SPEAKER_01 25:26

Oh, it works for a lot of people.

SPEAKER_00 25:28

If there's a guy that's hung up on that, then that's I don't know, maybe that's it.

SPEAKER_01 25:31

Oh, that's telling enough.

Goodbye And How To Support

SPEAKER_00 25:33

It can be. It can be. Well, it was lovely chatting with you. I love you, I love your energy. I'm glad we uncovered the secrets of the universe in 28 minutes.

SPEAKER_01 25:44

That's how it is. And now we're here.

SPEAKER_00 25:48

Okay, this is you here.

SPEAKER_01 25:50

Yes. Excellent. Well, thank you so much, John.

SPEAKER_00 25:54

Yeah. I forgot your name. How rude. Duh, it's on the screen. It was lovely chatting with you. It was lovely chatting with you. Thank you. Give a listen whenever you get a chance, and um, I'll have to edit a bunch of this out. We'll see. Um, there's um there's like a really cool experience. There's a review button on there. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:16

Thank you.

unknown 26:21

Woo!

SPEAKER_00 26:22

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